“The Sunday School Teacher”. And Your Point ???
So I was doing some paper work this weekend with the TV on and was just kind of listening to Nancy Grace and her guests. They were talking about the Sunday School teacher that has been accused of killing her daughter’s eight year old friend. (If you don’t know what I am talking about, here is one of many links that will take you to a story describing the tragedy: http://www.abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=7313938&page=1)
While watching Nancy, controversy arose when one of the ladies speaking said it was documented that she had mental issues and her society of friends, neighbors, church family and acquaintances should be made aware of this, in the same way society is made aware of sex offenders living within our communities. I believe Nancy was the one vehemently opposing the thought. One of the things she pointed out was, if you get a group of people in a room, a large percentage – 85% is what I believe she quoted – would all have some level of mental illness/challenges. I agree! But what does any of this have to do with her being a Sunday School teacher?
Literally, ever article begins by calling her “The Sunday School teacher”. Lol. Why? From a journalistic standpoint, I imagine using something as sacred as a role affiliated with church is the hook and apparently what they think will make readers/listeners shake their heads in disbelief. I say so what if she was a Sunday School teacher at her grandfather’s church. I don’t get the point. I grew up in church all my life and to be honest, I myself have witnessed Sunday School teachers with mental challenges, but what do you do? Where else do we not discriminate, and let whosoever will be a part of the work to be done, but the Kingdom of God aka church? I don’t necessarily fault the grandfather for letting her work in the church, unless he knew deep in his heart she shouldn’t be around children. Whether she is a Sunday School Teacher, elementary school teacher or Mother Theresa’s sister, the real issue is, she is a kidnapper, murderer and very troubled individual. Leave the titles off and call it what it is!
The charges against her are monumental! 28 years old and life as she knows it is over! She is facing either a life sentence without the possibility of parole or the death penalty…. How could she do this and should society have been notified that she is mentally ill? Would us knowing her affliction rendered different results?
Let me say, my heart goes out to the family of this young girl, the small close knit community, the church family and the daughter who lost a friend at the hand of her mother. (heavy sigh…) Share your thoughts. Holla back!
I feel the same as you, sad for all those involved. I also think it’s of extreme importance that we all pray daily for the Lord to keep our minds because if not for the grace and mercy of God…that could have been any of us. I say this because we are now dealing with devils and his followers that are taking on new assignments to destroy our very minds and make us think doing wrong things is right. It looks even worse when a “believer” does something like this. I think we have to PRAY that we all, our families, and all those we know and come in contact with will keep their sound mind so that the enemy won’t have us doing something crazy!!!!
No love offerings here! Stop it!
I agree. I am so sick of hearing she was a Sunday School Teacher. First and foremost she was all of those other things. That is Satan using the TV to give our precious Lord and Savior Jesus Christ another black eye. Commentators always play everything up big, they blow it up. There are a lot of things in the news that would either die out or just plain go away if the commentators would let it. I too feel sorry for the family of the little girl and why did she have to kill her. I have questions about tomorrow and so on, but through it all I have learned to trust in Jesus, learned to truste in God, through it all I have learned to depend up on his word. Now that we have Devotions and Praise and Worship, lets bow our heads in a word of prayer. There is always something to pray about. saturday I had another attack and thought I was going back to the hospital but the devil is a liar, I called onthe Lord and got answer. Just call me Grammy, she had a song for everthing.
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Great Point Kathy,
The title of Sunday School Teacher has nothing to do with anything. This is was she did, not who she really was…….That is why it is called a title. Bush was the President, a title and yet this had nothing to do with who he was.
Karrol Ann made the statement “It looks even worse when a “believer” does something like this.”
It use to bother me to no end when I find out it was a believer, but now, I just pray for the families that were afflicted or the famliy members of the person who committed the act, to divert my attention from the person who committed the crime, I need time to pray for that person. (that is just where I am spirtutally on this everyone) I am one of those people that hurt when others hurt very deeply.
People spend many years in the Church, doing Church, looking Church, while the Cancer of the real issues are not being dealt with openly. People are coming to church Bleeding and leaving Bleeding still with the knife (the issue) that cut them. She was dealing with some Demons way before she became a “Sunday School Teacher. As we all do in some point of time.
It is when I think of a Child being violated and murdered, my blood runs cold for a minute, because I think of my own child. And I am also concerned and pray now for the child whom she is the mother of.
God help us all.
I think the fact she teaches sunday school is very important. It’s a position of trust and is part of who she is. Just as if she were a school teacher. You all may not personally like to hear about it, but there is even evidence that the crime occured in the church.
My contention is that the teacher is baptist and therefore, neither she nor the church really qualifies as being assiciated with “the church.” Basically this is nothing but a killing committed by someone no different than any other unsaved sinner.
The fact that she is a Sunday School teacher only means that it is a position of trust as with many, many positions and jobs in life. However, saying you are a Christian isn’t the same as saying you are God! We are still fleshy beings that sin and make mistakes. That is my point. I am tired of non-believers/non-Christians thinking a Sunday School teacher couldn’t and wouldn’t do wrong any more than a auto mechanic! None of us are God and therefore are capable of sin! Focus on her as a person not by the voluntary, non-paying position she held at church, probably to deflect attention from who she really was.
This site welcomes and invites all people to speak from all religions. Your contention about her being Baptist/not qualified to be associated with the church/no different than any other unsaved sinner is very judgmental, arrogant and non-Christian! Just because she is titled with a religion name gives you no insight to her relationship with God. Apparently her relationship with God is questionable with her recent activities, but still, how can you blatantly judge her by her religion? But for the grace of God there go you or I!
As I stated in the post, many people claim, we all have some level of mental challenges, and those mental challenges cross religious lines. Wouldn’t YOU agree???
My heart goes out to the Cantu family and the little sweet girl Sandra Cantu’s soul and spirit. After reading the entire article my eyes began to feel with tears thinking of her small body crammed in that suitcase, under water. Lord please help us, forgive us for we know not what we do. We are all sinners saved by your grace, thank you Jesus. I thank you right now precious Lord for the comfort you give those suffering right now from this terrible tragedy. I thank you for your grace and mercy on the killer. I have been working at a mental Hospital as a Recreation Therapist, Psychiatric Attendant, Substance Abuse Counselor and an Art Therapist for 5 years. I know without a doubt that God blesses the mentally ill. Mental Illness is both carnal and spiritual at the same time. Anti-Psychotic medications work in some cases and in others they don’t. I have experienced things you wouldn’t believe working at this facility. One thing I can say from daily experiences is demonic spirits have unique personalities and characters. They can not survive outside of a host body for long. They seek out week minds and those that lack faith. They highjack their bodies and invade their minds. Drugs and alcohol destroy our minds and allow demonic spirits to enter more easily than a person who doesn’t use. I believe Melissa Huckaby was attacked by a demonic spirit. Just because she was a Sunday School Teacher does not make her exempt from sin or demonic invasion. Just like the brother who cut his sister’s head off in front of the police just recently. We all must pray without ceasing and build our faith and relationship with Jesus. The adversary is seeking for who he can destroy and devour, he never rest. We as Christians should never rest either and witness to the lost and unfaithful like never before. Mental Illness is real. It is used to describe behavior and spiritual experiences that some don’t understand or comprehend. I understand that we are all in a spiritual war and I am not a passive Christian.
No love offerings here!
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I get no love? @Kathy -
I will give you love! Just not a monetary love offering! Well…. not until you get your papers and certification!
Huh? What bible you been reading from? Show me where an unsaved person has “a relationship with God.” She ain’t go no religion. She may as well be muslim as be baptist….
I think they need to take her outside coat her with bacon grease and throw her in a cage with 3 hungry pit bulls. The bible has the death penalty for a reason. We need to quit reinventing the bible. (Of cousre I would have been dead long time ago…)
Uh, and who appointed you to say she doesn’t/didn’t have a relationship with God? I hope you hold no position where you are appointed to draw souls to Christ. You have no finesse or love for those unlike you, serving God in a different religion. What religion are you anyway? Have you never heard that God can use who ever He wants to use? She may have the same relationship with Him as the person that sleeps around on their spouse. Murder / adultery? Sin / sin! You cannot claim to know what relationship that woman has with God. I would venture to say, you make mistakes too. They might not be the publicized one she made but… if she repents and gets herself straight with God, she can make it into the kingdom! You or I might never know, but she can do it and it is none of our business if she does. You could keep doing your secret sins that nobody ever finds out about, go to church, sing, preach, do all the “churched/saved” things and still not make it into the kingdom because you are secretly sinning. Please don’t judge. I apologize to all Baptist and Muslims who read this. half and Half does not speak for everyone.
MIstake? You call that a mistake? You certainly are the mistress of understatement and political correctness Ms. Kathy. A mistake is when I forget an appointment or get lost. We’re talking about a degree of evil that even the muslims know calls for death. They need to tie her to a red ant hill coat her with honey and the ants have her. If she needs forgivesness let God forgive her when he see her.
I don’t sing, preach or do non of that. I just pay my dues and listen. I say if you think this no good woman might make it into heaven let’s hurry up and get her there so we can all find out.
You don’t have to apologige. Everyone here has different opinions. I just am expressing one of my many. Who knows, maybe tomorrow I’ll feel different. Especially since you have been so helpful in shaping my wayward opinion…
Where’s the love at? God does not condemn man, man condemns man. I leave judgement to God. We’re all just one traumatic experience away from having a mental illness.
Let say that this was your daughter and someone you knew, your neighbor, a sunday school teacher, took her, sodomized her with a bottle, killed her, stuffed her in a suitcase and threw her body in a canal. You tell me where’s your “love” would be at?
Kathy, Karrol Ann, Deloris you all have girls right?
I want you all to imagine your daughters at 8 years old and having to endure this. You mean to tell me that you’d feel so generous? HA! I think you are all being disingenoius. Let something bad happen to one of your children and then we’ll see how you feel.
If I sound angry it’s because I am. My cousin was taken and murdered at age 12 and the person that did it got off with only 20 years in jail. She was raped and stabbed in the heart, but the guy got off on the murder charge because of a technical issue. He got cancer while in jail, got out and live only a few months. I went to the hospital to see him just 3 days before he died. In prison he’d been stabbed 3 times, beaten several times and lived in fear of attack for 20 years. I told him I forgave him, but didn’t feel sorry for him. In fact I was sort of pleased to hear that he had gotten his.
You all can judge me however you want, but unless you’ve experienced something like this there is no way you can even begin to understand.
For some reason church people today think that the bible doesn’t support capital punushment and it does. The law is for the lawless and the law is allowed to use death a punishment. Jesus said he didn’t come to destroy the law, that is to ban capital punishment etc. People who do these eveil acts need to be swiftly punished and put to death.
Your Christianity goes back and forth. And your compassion…non-existence. Nobody here has said she shouldn’t be punished, we just know but for the grace of God it could be one of us or our loved one. I know people who have temporarily lost their minds and shot at other people and went to jail. When they got out I didn’t say, I’m glad you got yours. I treated them as if they were another normal human being. I don’t know what their relationship was with God or how jail affected them or corrected them. It is solely up to God to do the sentencing for the heart and soul of an individual, not us.
Do you know me? How do you know my middle initial is A? I never revealed that, nor did anyone else.
You are funny. You continually spell Delores wrong but then correct her typos when the mood hits you.
“A”?? Where? I wrote karrol Ann, not Kathy A.
I see you think you’re pretty forgiving. Are you really? I don’t know you so I have no idea. You seem more judgmental……at times.
I’m clearly a flawed person. For instance I think the people you mentioned who shot at someone were total idiots and deserved to go to jail. I know you’ll probably be offeded because they were friends, but that’s how I feel.
I hate baby killers and abusers. Can’t help how I feel. Maybe in youe eyes I’m wrong. So be it.
So you never answered how you’d feel if it were your child…. Would you still feel the way you do now?
I don’t see how you could. Maybe you can’t answer the question as it might cause some things to enter into your mind that you’d not like to have to consider. I know I would think about getting a gun and killing them. I know I’d want them dead and to die a horrible death. Maybe I’d feel different in time, but initially I’d be so full of revenge.
I imagine a lot of people would be, but I doubt anyone here would want to admit it. Is such a reaction really that bad? It certainly seems natural to me. I know I’d need God to help me get over wanting to harm the person who did it.
It’s easy for us to sit back and tell people how they should feel, but many of us would see somethings about ourself that we wouldn’d believe were we put into the same test.
When did I spell Deloris wrong?
Again! It is Delores! With an e and not an i!
I am sure I would be full of rage if it was my child, but I would still be a saved person. If I got a gun and shot them, I would be just as wrong as anybody saved, unsaved, atheist, etc. If at some point my being saved doesn’t set me and my actions apart from someone who is not saved, why claim to be saved.
You seem to be saved when it suits you and not be saved or make excuses for you “unsaved” behaviors when it suits you.
Many folk have asked me who you are and surmised. Apparently you are someone who knows me. And I doubt seriously that most of the stuff you say/claim is true. I think kk is a place for you to have fun talking, talking, talking…. You contradict yourself so much, you can’t be for real.
We went to school together if you just have to know.
Now that that’s clear up let’s get back to the point.
I think what I say is really how we appear to God. Most people do well until confronted and then the flesh comes out. I’ve seen people get mad at silly stuff on this board. Yet the same people can’t see themself and how they handle diferences.
KLEVER KATHY
I have one and you have one…an opinion! Let’s talk!
Many times people don’t say what they are really thinking, or they surpress the flesh and only say what they deem to be accetable. Especially on here. I think any of us could say the right thing in the right way most of the time, but how many of us really know ourself?
Let me ask you a question Kathy and i want you to answer it withour giving me some spiritually correct answer.
If someone was trying to stab your child with a knife and a gun was laying on the table what would you do?
This story is crazy! What is also crazy is the way that half and half mary feels she has to speak to people the way she does. Yes, this site says we have opinions but do we have to be so rude and nasty while expressing them? If we are all Christians can we not find a way to be like Christ? He had differing opinions all the time yet never once was rude or nasty! Whatever happened to WWJD???? U do NOT have to speak to my mom and aunts that way! If u don’t like it express it plz without attacking. I know u may attack me but that’s cool cuz. And if you dare to say they have come at you I would definitively say you came out the gate wrong your very first time on here. You can’t pick and choose when to be like Christ!
So you are all related here or something? Sorry if you feel like I’m beating up on your poor aunties. They seem to be holding their own pretty good. I’m actually enjoying this. Don’t take it so seriously. I’m not.
Wy is everyone ducking the question regarding how they would react if this were their child?
No one willing to admit that they’d want to killer bolied in oil?
Well now. Thanks for having my back Sweetie Deet. Half and half…who are you? I’m going to express EXACTLY HOW I FEEL…it is so wrong to judge and to wish harm to others NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCE!!!!! Check out your word and you would find that God is the ONE AND ONLY judge and giver of punishment…vengence is HIS alone!!! I don’t know what I would do if that had been my girls then or now, today, if that happened to them but I HAVE to believe that I am filled up enough with the Holy Ghost to trust and believe that All things work together for my good ‘cuase I love God and would be able to cast ALL my cares on Him since He cares for me. I’ve had hard things to contemplate…my Mom passing in her 60’s being the greatest woman I know and I work EACH AND EVERY DAY with hateful mean 80, 90, and a couple 100 year old patients that are still here while my mother is gone…we make choices in life and with the power given to us AFTER we receive the Holy Ghost we can handle whatever comes our way. Yes we may feel like killing someone (I have and praise God he is still alive) but we have to choose to give it ALL to God and let Him do what He does…take care of us. H and H…I’m praying for you!!!!
Wooowwww!Hate to always be the “preachy one” but here I go again!!I’d be completely devastated/crushed/heart-broken if it was MY CHILD! But!
for an adult to get that “jacked-up” over a child-you know something is wrong with the adult. Something is wrong not only in her heart but also her mind. With that said, I’d like to “think” that I’d want to see this woman helped…therapy, medication and a true come to JESUS meeting.What ever it is that’s tormenting her…she needs deliverance. There is nothing the courts could do to satisfy me.Absolutely nothing. I would just want my child back and they can’t do that. The only thing I could do would be to allow this woman ample time to get her life together because SHE MADE A MISTAKE!!!! Just like Judas.I’m referencing Matthew 27:1-5. Even in one of the other gospels, Jesus called Judas “friend”. I don’t know if I could call sistergirl,sunday school teacher “friend” but I would not want the courts to put her to death. Using my tax dollars to keep her alive in prison doesn’t feel good either but that’s why we take it to the Lord and leave it there. He is a merciful and just God and know’s what to do even when I’ve tried to physically beat the life out of her over killing my baby. SHE MADE A MISTAKE JUST LIKE JUDAS!! And God knows, I
have certainly had my days in Judas’ shoes-wanted to kill myself for something I had done or said…ooowweeee!!! this is a good place to close with a quote from my aunts’ “keep laying down, going to sleep and gettin’ up! baby, you’ll see!”
Karol Ann I know my “opinion” doesn’t exactly line up with the word of God, but who does all the time? You ever get into an argument with your husband? So what’s the difference? My husband and I have arguments at times and he says I’m wrong because I don’t “obey” him.
As for this topic here if a man had done this to this poor child maybe the feelings would be different. (Pastor rapes and murders child?)
I just have a very deep person adversion to anyone who harms children in this manner. From what I’ve read your mother sounds like someone who was extremely exceptional and I bet I would have loved her. (You and your sister seem to have a lot more mouth though) (Insert your laugh here) ( you do have a sense of humor right?) ( Ok Mary. Look out here comes the clan out on this one in full force)
At least you did admit that you feel like killing someone at times. I’ll give you a score of 97 for being so honest. (You do love me don’t you?)
LOL Leah I think you have been so honest. At least you realize that you’d want to kill her (”He is a merciful and just God and know’s what to do even when I’ve tried to physically beat the life out of her over killing my baby.”)
You’ve expressed what I know most people would feel. And you also expressed what happens once God begins to woek. I know what my initial thoughts would be and yours pretty much match mine. Sometimes we put on airs to make people think we are different because we are saved. Most of the time with us God has to speak to us in order for us to do/act correctly.
If most of us were left alone with our child killer and no one was watching or would ever know and we had the means to inflict punishment of some type…….
I wish I could be saved to fit the perfect model (which would mean that I’d have to be Jesus) but I can’t and I know that I never will. I’m always coming up short in some manner or other. Maybe not ever day, but often enough to let me know that I’m not all that…
At this moment I don’t want to kill stone that woman, but yesterday I did.
I have enjoyed reading these comments and I appreciate all my Christian brother’s and sister’s opinion on this topic. H & H I doubt seriously that we went to school together. I refuse to further engage in the mudslinging.
Karlissa, thanks sweetheart but Auntie Kathy got this. I am so unused to anyone having my back, it feels nice. Karolann and Leah, I will reiterate what I have said before; there will be no love offerings here!
My next post is going to be a question that makes you go hmmmmm….inspired solely by our own Half and Half/Mary. Look for it tomorrow but in the meantime, keep the conversation going. Holla back!
Mary!! yes you can!! but Jesus is the perfect model and it’s a daily walk…yes you can..we can’t get it perfect everyday! Just the fact that you wakeup and say, “help me today Jesus- I need you” then, if something does come up and for instance, you get into an argument with me…all you can do is on the next occasion you simply say, Leah we argued and I don’t feel good about it. I feel that I was correct in what I said but I just expressed it in the wrong way. Will you forgive me for shouting at you? We can then hug say a prayer and go on. You are not going to fit a perfect model…I’m not either but we have a tremendous example to follow!! It’s over whelming but together we can do it…I’d love to be your prayer partner.
To be continued…….
….Kathy You know you never answered the question right?
(And Kathy’s gonna say, “What question Mary?”.
So in order to take care of that issue since Kathy obviously doesn’t evennnn want to go anywhere near it, I’m going to copy and paste the question and then sit back and see what happens. Given her response thus far I expect that she’ll either give me some spiritaul mumbo jumbo or ignore it all together. I expect the latter.)
Let me ask you a question Kathy and I want you to answer it withour giving me some spiritually correct answer.
If someone was trying to stab your child with a knife and a gun was laying on the table what would you do?
Never having fired a gun (can you say the same??? holla somebody!) I can’t say that I would even think I would do it right, but there is a chance I would fire it or at least attempt to. But guess what, if I shot and killed someone, it would be self defense in the eyes of society but I would still have to face God. Remember the Columbine incident when he asked the young teenage girl do you believe in Jesus and, knowing she was going to be shot she said, yes, and he shot and killed her. How am I better than that? Before I lifted a gun to the assailant, I would lift my voice to God! The only one able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we could ask or think! You have never once even alluded to the fact that you would turn to God to help with any of this….
Well at least you’re finally acknowledging that in the defense of your child you might shoot first and ask for forgivness later.
Have I ever shot a gun? (don’t assume) The answer is no.
As for asking God to help me I would. I’d ask Him to help me shoot staight.
Don’t judge me because I’m only being honest. Would you perfer I pretend to act like I wouldn’t? I’m not trying to make people think I’m so saved that I would let someone kill my child while I stood there. I’d bite, scratch, kick, spit, beat them with my purse, mace them, cut them if I had a knife, throw dirt in their face, pick up a rock and bust them in the head, run over them with my car, push them in front of a bus, throw them down an elevator shaft, off the roof of a building, step in front of the bullet, whatever it took I’d do…..
I think most “saved” people might do whatever they had to in that situation. ( Not saying that is right, just that it might happen that way. Whhy do you think most of the people here aren’t commenting? They know I’m right)
God help us that non of us are ever put in that position. That’s all I can say.
I just wish we’d stop pretending. People don’t like holy folks because we say one thing and then we we’re tested do another. ( Some that is) I don’t put anything past any of us… We need to see our self for what we really are. I know I need God..Pray for me
@Leah –
Leah I really like you. Your attitude is realistic. We all are different and God never saved us for us all to act the same. Thomas was doubting, but look at how Christ loved him and how close he stayed to Christ.
Peter was the male version on myself. Kinda of tough and hardcore. Protective. Luke was very analytical and thoughtful. Very conservative and dignified. Paul had the “short man complex” and had to be the authority on everything. In fact each of the 12 had various personalities that match the 12 basic characterists of the human species.
I find Peter very interesting. Sword welding. Paul almost gets into an also physical fight with Barnabus in acts.
We are never going to be perfect in this world. Some days we get it all right and other days we do or say the wrong things. Sometimes we just react before we can catch our self. That’s why God gave us grace. I’m very forgiving, but I also know that I can be very judgemental and reactionary at times. At least I know myself huh?
If we all were honest we’d admit that we have things that we fail at. Loving this murdering woman is not something I can do or even want to do at this moment. Do i feel sorry for her? Yup. Sorry that she was so evil and that my tax dollars are going to be wasted on appeals for years. She just needs to be put to death within 30 days of her conviction and then we should move on to who is next.
Had she shot someone in an arguement or something I think I would have a much different opinion.
you GO!!”Sis. Peter”-show me wha’ cha workin’ with now…you could be such a tremendous witness Mary!!Just calm down your spirit and lean on the Lord for help. That’s what I do.example…this woman, this sunday school teacher..you and I (and everybody) have to pretend she’s our very best girfriend, sister, aunt,sorority pal or whatever and try our darnest to have compassion. It’s so difficult because of the ugly wrong. But God demands that we separate the sin from the sinner at least at the altar. She does still have a soul.Mary, I could talk to you for hours but I’m gonna go eat.
I like UR comments Leah. Not only does she have a soul and needs our prayers…but. As 1 (of probaly only 3 or 4 I even like) of the revised songs from the Hawkins Family that Mary Mary sings..Thank you Lord, it says “it coulda been me”. That’s what we have to keep at the forefront of our minds constantly…..if not for God’s grace and mercy we could snap and it could be us in the headlines. Come on now H and H…think of that and how many times God’s mercy has kept you!
Wow,
I leave for vacation for a week and see Words flying like shoes.
Half & Half can I ask you a question and I really am not trying to be mean or minimize your feelings. But, is what happenend to your cousin the only thing that you are angry about? And did your relationship with God stay the same or did it change afterwards. I am just asking because I am curious.
Sign: Holding up a white flagg with both hands up!